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Numbers Carried
Company Number Date From
London, Midland & Scottish Railway 3865 y/e 1918
British Railways 43865 w/e 28/08/1948

Locomotive Specifics
Designer H. Fowler
Class 4F
Company History LMS
Wheels 0-6-0
Builder Derby Works
To Service During y/e 1918
Withdrawal Sat 15/05/1965
Service Life 47 yrs, 5 mths , 15 dys

Disposal
Scrapping During 10/1965

Allocations
Code Subsequent Codes Name From Date
    (New) y/e 1918
17C   Coalville on 01/01/1948 (Snapshot)
21A   Saltley 4w/e 19/04/1952
18A   Toton 4w/e 11/08/1956
16G   Westhouses w/e 26/09/1964
     Withdrawn on 15/05/1965

SLS Allocations*
Type Code Name From Date
ALLOC 21A Saltley 4w/e 19/04/1952
ALLOC 18A Toton 4w/e 14/07/1956
ALLOC 10G Skipton 3w/e 03/10/1964
WDN   w/e 15/05/1965

* Stephenson Locomotive Society data - raw and not yet cross-referenced

Mentions ...
Report Date Title Report Source
28/02/1950 Derby Works New work: On 31/3 new 2-6-4T's Nos. 42140/41 were complete-No. 42140 being in the Paint Shop-No. 42142 had the frames and boiler erected and Nos. 42143/44 only the frames. Locomotives entering Works during February: These included Nos. 40419/86/95, 525/28, 40541, 628, 40633, 40910/35. 936, 41006/35/54/94, 41157/88/96/97, 41247, 1747, 1820, 42324, 2367/70/90, 42516/27/28, 3178/80, 3223/33, 3357/70/88, 3405, 3634/39, 43803/45, 3863, 43865/86, 43912, 3931/48/51, 43970, 3971, 4012/35/37, 44053, 4104, 44129, 4157/69, 44184/85, 44260, 44523, 4538, 44552/82, 4591, 45585, 7252, 22940, 58100, E.R. No. 8002, W.R. Nos. 2089, 2134/36. Further locomotives painted black and fully lined, with crest, were Nos. 40029, 40540, 40633, 41076. 41112, 42306/65, 58088. The following also carry the crest: Nos. 41531. 41747, 41835. 43370, 43804, 44432/66, 47253, 47336, 47402/62, 47627/30, W.R. Nos. 2023, 2112, while Nos. 40015/34/47, 40937, 42346/92, 42405, 42507/12/25, 43180, 43223/28, 43605, 43863/67, 44053, 44104 were all ex Works still lettered 'L.M.S.' Nos. 58160 an 58299 appeared painted black, with plain tenders. Withdrawn locomotives: These have been cut up as follows: W/E 10/2 Nos. 40533 an 1252: W/E 17/2 No. 1366. SLS/195004
15/10/1959 Derby Works (Erecting Shop; No. 1 Bay) Paint Shop: M.R. 1000, 42512 (I), 42624 (G), 47598 (G), 48001 (I), 48218 (G), 48293 (I), D3791 New, D5025 New. Diesel Erecting Shop: 10203, 11126, 12036, 13038. New Work: 9 D-E. Sh. D3792-D3800new. Test House: D6, D3789/90. Diesel Finishing Shop: D5026/7/8, D4. Erecting Shop; No. 1 Bay; 42314 (G), 42403 (I), 42405 (I), 42422 (G), 42506 (I), 42523 (I), 42537 (G), 43914 (I), 44333 (I), 44435 (I), 44521 (I), 44557 (G), 47410 (G), 48004 (G), 73030 (I), 80093 (G). Stripping: 42311, 43865, 48674stripping. Erecting Shop; No. 2 Bay: 42227 (I), 42540 (G), 43949 (G), 44262 (G), 44267 casual, 44394 (G), 48331 (I), 75044 (I). Erecting Shop; No. 3 Bay: 9 Bo-Bo. 1160 H.P. D-E. D5029-37uc 5 1-Co-Co-1. 2300 H.P. D-E D7-11uc. Yard: 40047, 40412, 40513/36/50/680, 42303/13/41/54, 43292/308/587/826 860/86, 44214/402, 47309/433/584/632, 48050, 58065, 73159, 10000/800, 12094, D2/5, Cecil Raikes. SLS/195911
07/05/1962 Derby MPD Ex Works on Shed: D2506, D3178, D5082/9, D5137/8, 43865, 43950, 44569, 47485, 47534, 48094, 48282, 48413, 75016. SLS/196206

Summary
Date Event Details Source See Also
1918 To Service To service as London, Midland & Scottish Railway Number 3865
Built at Derby Works
   
01/01/1948 Allocation Allocation Snapshot - Coalville (17C)    
28/08/1948 Renumbered Renumbered to 43865    
19/04/1952 Allocation Reallocated to Saltley (21A)    
11/08/1956 Allocation Reallocated to Toton (18A)    
26/09/1964 Allocation Reallocated to Westhouses (16G)    
15/05/1965 Withdrawn Condemned as 43865    
10/1965 Scrapped Scrapped    

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